A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

Last post 05-21-2008, 6:46 PM by SBO. 12 replies.
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  •  04-15-2008, 5:34 PM 4843

    A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

    At the risk of sounding pompous, arrogant, ignorant or paternalistic I’d like to rant on what I perceive as disrespectful, sketchy and occasionally unsportsmanlike racing in the rapidly expanding Cat 4 field this year. There are 4 specific points I’d like to comment on:

     

    1)      Centerline Rule – To clarify, here it is directly from the USCF rule book:

                 3B1. Center Line. If a course is not closed to traffic, allcompetitors must keep to the right of the center line orenforcement line, but may pass on either side of another rider.[warning for accidental crossing of the center line with noadvance in position; relegation or disqualification foradvancing position; 10 day suspension for a flagrantly

    dangerous attack].

     

    The majority of us abide by this rule yet there are a number of riders in our field who violate it every race. On the last lap at HON a group of riders decided it was ok to move up to the front by crossing the centerline so they could be sheltered from the wind and get to the front for the last time down the dirt – they all should have been relegated or DQ’ed. That was disrespectful to the rest of us who were dealing with the crosswind so we could stay in front, if you wanted to move up get your butt out in the wind and do the work. We saw it happen a number of times during TVSR last weekend – someone would get tired of being in the back of the pack and instead of working his way up through the pack, would just move out across the centerline and advance their position. Unfortunately, with no officials following the race these violations go un-penalized. We need to be more vocal when they occur and if they affect the outcome of a race or the same riders commit multiple violations, complaints should be filed with the officials – I know this occurred in the W 1,2,3 field last weekend and a time penalty was assessed.

     

    2)      Attacking in a Feed Zone - While there is not a rule against it, attacking in the feed zone is considered bad form and poor cycling etiquette. Per the USCF rule book feed zones are positioned in areas that are typically slow, safe for riders and volunteers, and are far enough away from the finish that they are not going to affect the outcome of the race. Feed Zones are inherently dangerous and chaotic as volunteers try to get racers bottles and feed and avoid getting hit themselves and racers do their best to avoid each other while grabbing what they need. The universally accepted practice is to go neutral through the zone and resume racing after everyone is safely through. At TVSR last weekend as we came to the 180 turnaround with the feed zone just after, we were all calling to go neutral, two riders on the front attacked just after the 180, through the feed zone as volunteers were standing out in the road trying to hand off bottles – I saw one jump out of the way as the field responded to chase down the attack. Frankly this was a classless move and put people who were volunteering their time in unnecessary danger.

     

    3)      Attacking During a Crash or a Mechanical – Again no rules against this but it speaks directly to sportsmanship. Did Hamilton attack when Armstrong & Mayo went down when LA hooked his bar on a mussette? No – he got the rest of the lead pack to go neutral for a minute to let them chase back, then they resumed racing. For some reason the sound of a crash in the 4’s is like a starting bell and they almost always attack – it happened on Sat. at TVSR and some of the riders were left to chase the rest of the race (including me so go ahead and accuse me of sour grapes – it won’t hurt my feelings). On Sunday when the GC leader dropped his chain about halfway through the race and it got wrapped around his crank – someone actually yelled attack and launched – are you kidding me!!? Luckily some of us with a better sense of sportsmanship yelled at him, chased the attack down and got on the front and slowed the field until the leader got back on. We shouldn’t be trying to capitalize on other rider’s misfortune, where’s the honor in that?  Granted you’re not going to stop racing in a decisive part of the race like the last few laps of a crit  or the last 5K of a RR, but in the middle of the race if there is a crash lets wait a minute or two before we drill it.

     

    4)      “Hold Your Line” – Not doing this is probably the cause of 95% of the crashes in our field. Unfortunately, the person who causes the crash rarely goes down themselves and often doesn’t even realize they are the culprit, hence doesn’t learn any type of painful lesson and continues to do it. “Hold Your Line” means you ride in a straight line, you do not move laterally unless you are absolutely sure you have a clear path and won’t take out someone’s front wheel – Think of it like changing lanes in a car, you don’t move laterally until you know damn well you’re clear. It also means when you go into a corner 5 feet from the curb, you go around that corner 5 ft. from the curb and exit the corner 5 feet from the curb – no diving into the apex so you can have a faster line – you’re concentrating too hard on the corner to see the rider just behind and inside you who is 3 feet from the curb. If you’re having trouble holding a straight line while you reach for your water bottle or when you look over your shoulder (this is what caused 2 of the wrecks in our field this year) – get yourself a set of rollers and practice not falling off when doing these things. I’m happy to loan mine to anyone who wants to borrow them.

      

    Sorry about the length of this rant, I’d just like to see it a bit safer out there for all of us. None of us ride for a living nor will be going pro anytime soon so we are racing for the love of it and to stay fit. With the change in the upgrade requirements making the move from 4-3 more difficult while upgrading from 5-4 remains as easy as starting 10 races, our field is going to continue to grow and we could be looking at some real carnage if things don’t improve. Remember how sketchy the Sugarhouse Crit was last year – imagine that with an additional 20-30 new cat 4’s!  Lets keep the rubber side down!

     

    -Shane Dunleavy


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever"
  •  04-15-2008, 9:48 PM 4846 in reply to 4843

    Re: A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

    Being a Cat. 3 rider who plowed into a carnage that was laid out before him last weekend I sympathize with your plight and agree with majority of your statement. I do have a small disagreement on one small issue.

    Though I'm aware of the "bad form" of attacking through a feed zone (and have witnessed it in the higher categories), I've never heard anyone suggest that a turnaround ought to be neutral (and there was no feed zone for Cat 4's). Perhaps I'm a bit ignorant on this issue (and I welcome a correction), but in my opinion a turnaround is no more than a turn and as such does not merit any special treatment beyond the customary caution. In this particular racing scenario I suggest always being ready to respond to an attack and trying to be at the front before a turnaround as I have seen many an attack thusly launched. Think of it as a last turn before the finish, which in this case it was. The only person that should have the power to neutralize a race is an official, not riders bummed out about being in the back.

    Piotr Strzelec
     


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  •  04-15-2008, 10:11 PM 4847 in reply to 4846

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    In this case, there was a feed zone right at the turn around.  There were volunteers walking out into the lane of traffic to try to hand off water bottles.  It should have been neutral, or there should not have been a feed zone there. 
    James

     

     

     

  •  04-15-2008, 10:51 PM 4848 in reply to 4847

    Re: A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

    I stand corrected. I do find it curious why a feed zone would be utilized in a 52 mile race in fairly cool temperatures.

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  •  04-16-2008, 5:39 AM 4850 in reply to 4848

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    I'm sure the feed zone was intended for the Cat3's and Cat1/2s, and just happened to be right after the Cat4 turn around.  Maybe next year they will move the turn around so that it occurs prior to the feed zone, or move the feed zone to just beyond the turn around.
    James

     

  •  04-16-2008, 3:50 PM 4856 in reply to 4846

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    Piotr,

    Sorry to hear you got caught up in the Cat 3 crash last weekend - glad you were not injured.  I did not mean to imply that turnarounds should be neutral, just feedzones. It was just in this particular case that the turnaround and feedzone coincided creating a hazardous area, it would have been best to go through the feed neutral then resume racing.

    One comment about this sentence "The only person that should have the power to neutralize a race is an official, not riders bummed out about being in the back." I aggree that only an official has this power but agreements are made in the pack all the time, after all it is its own little rolling community, and if the riders on the front of the pack see a dangerous situation it is their responsiblility to go neutral and communicate that they are doing so to the rest of the pack; that is what I and the others riding on the front did when we came to the Cat 3 crash site on Sat to get everyone safely around the emergency vehicles and personel. And for the record I was not a "bummed out rider in the back" calling for neutral but at or near the front in all the incidents referenced.


    "Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever"
  •  04-17-2008, 9:38 PM 4860 in reply to 4856

    Re: A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

    I agree with Shane's comments.  Attacking at a turn is appropriate and usually happens.  Be prepared for it.  Feed zones are already dangerous, attacking at a zone is an unnecessary danger that should and can be avoided.  

    What I would like to know about, do the Cat 1-3's attack in feed zones? Do the pro's attack in feed zones?  As amatuer Cat4 racers who are still learning to handle a bike and race, should we be blatantly crossing the yellow and attacking in feed zones? 

    The situation for TVSR where we had a turn and a feed at the same time should be avoided.  I was was one of those riders in the back of pack.  Am I a bummed out rider?  Yes.  But it's my own fault for not being at the front or near the front and not having the fitness to instantly respond to the attack from the back.  I could have easily gone to the front if I crossed the center yellow and moving up like I saw several riders doing. This happens at nearly every race on open roads. I know my limits and am not going to push the envelope by making risky moves in the pack.   

     When I see riders crossing the yellow I just think back to sometime last year where a rider accidentally crossed the yellow back in the midwest(someone can find the news article).  She was hit and killed.  She moved over because of something happened in the pack.  This can happen and as a group we should try to prevent a tragic accident like this from occuring in our own midst.   This is dangerous and safety is more important than getting 20th place.

     At TVSR I got dropped at the turn since it was a slow turn, once I got out of the turn I had to deal with other slow riders and the volunteers in the road.  A few of us were just catching the pack when the crash happened by the ambulance.  Next thing I know the pack was gone.  We tried to organize into a group to catch back and my legs were fried from chasing after the turn.

     Moral of my story, be at or near the front and be safe.

     

  •  05-20-2008, 9:42 AM 4944 in reply to 4843

    Re: A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

    shane is absolutely right here, and he's not the only person noticing that the cat. 4s are getting sketchier than ever.  i've never seen such a massive number of riders all unable to ride in a straight line.  in both uscf and crit b flight races, riding in the pack is more dangerous now than i ever remember it being (it's like sugarhouse every tuesday and saturday).  people moving up to the 4s are commenting that racing in the 5s felt more safe (see inacio's post about perspective).  i think that this is probably true, because the 4s are full of riders still learning bike handling and race etiquette  (i honestly believe that there are a significant number of riders, strong or otherwise, who don't know what you mean when you say 'hold your line'.  i've explained this principle to tj at least 6-7 times, and it has had no net effect on his erratic cornering practices).

    it seems to me that 1 corrective measure has gone unmentioned: could we get some official help from the officials? for example, with over $2400 in registration fees for just the cat 4s alone at bear lake, would it not be possible to pay a single official to ride with the group and enforce rules? this situation with yellow line violations is only getting worse, and riders are not taking it seriously (at a cost to those of us who work to stay near the front without a quick trip on the other side of the line).  it also seems that the officials could make the job of todd's replacement at uca a bit easier if they could get the results right.  again, using bear lake as an example, how do you miss 6 of the top 12 riders coming in? it seems that manpower and organization currently are lacking.  i agree with marek that the final responsibility comes down to the racers (in most situations), but i think that some organization and effective utilization of officials could go a long way here.

    the change in upgrade requirements has put a lot of strain on the 4s, and i'm not alone in thinking that the masters 35+ is looking like a more attractive category (safer racing and better chances to practice tactics).  if things in the 4s don't improve soon, maybe the masters 35+ group field size will start growing?

    see you out there,

    colby
     

  •  05-20-2008, 2:00 PM 4948 in reply to 4944

    Re: A Rant About Cat 4 Racing (long)

    I don't mean to interject where I'm not needed and probably clueless -- as I am neither a cat 4, a promoter nor an official.

    But the real problem may be in the lack of officials. It might not be a bad idea to require clubs to have a few certified officials in their ranks and provide an official or two at races on a rotating basis.

    As for holding the line ... I agree. I'm a relative newbie in the sport and probably have my own issues holding my line, but it can be frightening to see some of the other people out there with no regard whatsoever for the pack as they dart in and out. 


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  •  05-20-2008, 2:10 PM 4949 in reply to 4944

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    Colby...

     Classy.  Here's a good idea, lets take the most talented 13 year old rider in the state and in a public forum complain about how you think he rides.  I'm pretty sure that is what the UCA would want you to use it for.  Hopefully you will see how stupid that comment was and make a public apology to him. I have no problem with a rider voicing his concern to another rider directly one on one, but this is not the place for it. 

  •  05-21-2008, 11:41 AM 4959 in reply to 4949

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    hey billy,

    1st -- it was neither a complaint nor a personal attack.  it was an example of one of the larger problems in the cat 4 group (for which i think the uca forum is designed).  the point was that we need officials monitoring a group of our size and inconsistency.  i never said anything about t.j.'s extraordinary ability; that is without question, but it is common knowledge (and not just "how i think he rides") in the cat 4 pack and at crits like the dmv that to ride next to him is dangerous.

    2nd -- i've spoken with tj at least 1/2 a dozen times about this issue (usually after getting forced into the dirt in a bell lap), so i'm glad that you have no problem with me talking to him.  i think that he'll be a great rider, but i also think that it's not fair to give him the road carte blanche because he's a teenager.  we all need to learn to hold our lines.  i'm still not sure what your problem is with me using him as an example in this forum.  if i had picked a different rider with chronic 'line-holding' issues would you have been as upset?

    again, the point was our need for more officiating in the beginning ranks.  the examples were cases of where i think tighter officiating could help.  i'm sorry if you were offended by any of the examples, but they were real cases of what has been happening on the road (and i'm also sorry if you think using examples was "stupid").  they were neither malicious nor unwarranted.

    hope that you're ok with this?
    colby


     

  •  05-21-2008, 2:58 PM 4963 in reply to 4959

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    Quick response because the points have been made...

    In my opinion, using an individual as an example in a public forum lacks class.  Your points could easily have been made without singling out one individual especially a 13 year old rider who has as much to learn as any cat 4 rider out there.

    You mentioned that you've talked to him a bunch of times.  Another idea is to talk to his teammates about the issue.  Most cat 4 riders are a part of a team that has more experienced cat I/II guys that have been racing for some time.  I can't speak for all of them, but if someone were to come to me and bring up an issue like this, I'd be happy to help in any way possible. 

    Anyway, those are my 2 cents.  If you'd like to talk further about it I'll be out at RMR on Tuesday night.  I'm the guy with the red and black Orca with the #6 on my bike.

    Billy

     

     

  •  05-21-2008, 6:46 PM 4966 in reply to 4963

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    I know we are not singling out riders here, but just a quick note.  I've riden with TJ quite a few times.  He has come to our training camps, and he is as good as any rider in Cat 4.  The reason for being a cat 4 is to train you on these skills.  I'm sure none of these riders are flagrantly pushing people into the dirt.  Take this opportunity to learn, to train, and move up to the next levels.  Cat 4's will learn techniques to help deal with sketchy riders, and to not be a sketchy rider.  Keep working, keep learning, and keep up the good work TJ.

    Marek

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